Episode Transcript
[00:00:00] Speaker A: Hey, everybody, it's Bryce and Brian's here.
[00:00:03] Speaker B: Yep, I'm here.
[00:00:04] Speaker A: Hooray. We're both here. Okay, cool. And the audio looks good. So we're gonna talk now.
[00:00:09] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:09] Speaker A: That's what you do on a podcast. That's what you do on a podcast.
[00:00:12] Speaker B: Because this is a podcast.
[00:00:13] Speaker A: This is podcast.
And we're doing a quick minisode to talk about Indiana Jones and the dial of Destiny.
[00:00:45] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:46] Speaker A: Because Indiana Jones and the dial of Destiny came out today.
[00:00:50] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:00:51] Speaker A: Officially at the time of recording it. We saw it yesterday at 03:00 and.
[00:00:54] Speaker B: Not today at 03:00 and not today.
[00:00:56] Speaker A: At 03:00 because that was a whole thing. That was a whole thing. Brian, explain.
[00:00:59] Speaker B: Yeah, so basically, I was looking into it, like, hey, when can we go? Talked with Bryce and Nicole and Laudin, and we're like, cool. Friday at 03:00 works, more or less. And so I'm like, cool, let me get the tickets. And we got the a lister from AMC. We're not sponsored, but if you want to that.
[00:01:18] Speaker A: No, but I should disclose that I do have money invested in AMC.
[00:01:23] Speaker B: Mr. Fancy pants over.
[00:01:24] Speaker A: Yeah. And in Disney, which also is so. Yeah, we're not endorsing them in any way.
[00:01:31] Speaker B: No. But I bought tickets thinking it was Friday, and it turns out it was for Thursday.
[00:01:38] Speaker A: Yes, indeed it was.
[00:01:39] Speaker B: But luckily, everybody could go. And it worked out for everybody's schedule. A little bit tighter for Laudin because she had work, but we still went and.
Yeah, we saw the movie.
[00:01:50] Speaker A: Yeah, it was a success.
I think we should jump right into it. I liked it. I liked it a lot. In fact, I would even go so far at the moment to say I loved it. But I'm also only one day out. And sometimes one day out, I come out of a movie and I'm like, you know what? I still had a damn good time. And then, like, three days later and I'm like, but now that you mention it. Yeah, I suppose there was that one thing which, going into this movie, I know you had marathoned all the movies.
[00:02:22] Speaker B: Yeah, I watched. Yeah, the last four. Well, the last four. The only other four. And then because Disney plus threw on the young Indiana Jones chronicles, adventures, whatever they're calling them, it went both ways. It's a whole thing. You can wikipedia it. We're not going to go super far into it, but it shows his childhood, and it was a show from the early 90s, basically. And then they spliced it all together in the late ninety s to create like 22 hours and a half movies, basically. So we watched a couple of those and just to get in the mood, and they're really good, too. So I really want to finish those eventually, but, yeah, so we definitely got into an indie mood the last month or so.
[00:03:01] Speaker A: You did that over the course of a month. I watched two episodes. We watched of young Indiana Jones.
[00:03:07] Speaker B: That was a couple of weeks ago.
[00:03:09] Speaker A: Yeah. And then I didn't do anything because I kept on putting off watching the movies ahead of time.
[00:03:13] Speaker B: Right. But we also had a whole. There were so many. It's June, so there's so many other movies that came out that were part of a franchise or a sequel kind of thing. So as the movies came up, like, oh, let's try to watch the Transformers, because the Beast wars movie, that wasn't really beast wars, but it was. But what's in a name came out. But we also had.
[00:03:37] Speaker A: I mean, fast ten came out. We didn't go to see fast ten, and then we want to. Spiderverse came out. Spiderverse, yeah, but you're definitely more of. I'll watch the things leading up into it than I am, but with spider verse. I didn't have to watch Spider Verse into the spider verse in order to watch across the spider verse because I've seen it so many times and recently, that's so. But, like, I watched Raiders, I don't know, three months ago just because it was on.
Yeah, because raiders. But I haven't seen symbol of doom in a long time, and I haven't seen any of these others in years. So for me, I don't think I've actually watched Kingdom of the Crystal skull since I saw it in theaters.
[00:04:19] Speaker B: I don't think I had either.
[00:04:20] Speaker A: I've seen bits and pieces on FX, but I usually always come in at the end, which turns out I also do for the last crusade my entire life.
The night before we go to see Indiana Jones, I watched all four of them.
I started with Temple of Doom because I was like, I've seen Raiders. I saw it a few months ago. I'll just skip it. And then I watched Temple of Doom. And then I'm like, wait, what year does this take place? So I look it up, and I find out, oh, this took place a year before raiders. And I'm like, well, then technically I'm starting, so now I have to watch raiders again. So I watched raiders again, and then I watched last Crusade, and for the first 40 minutes of the movie, I was like, I've never seen this. Oh, shoot. I've never seen this movie. Yeah, I knew River Phoenix was then young Indiana Jones at some point. I didn't realize that I had never actually seen that, but all of it was new footage for me.
[00:05:17] Speaker B: So that's how Temple of Doom was for me, which is crazy.
[00:05:21] Speaker A: I've seen the choosing of the cup, the zeppelin scene, everything basically up to the zeppelin. And then, so I guess everything up until Hitler signs his book.
[00:05:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:05:32] Speaker A: And then they escape on a zeppelin and they come in at the Zeppelin scene somehow and I've seen that. I'm sorry. And they got us plane scene and all that with Sean Connery. And I've always enjoyed what I saw, but I don't know that. I just never sat down to watch it. Yeah, super weird.
[00:05:46] Speaker B: Yeah, I always caught, because they always did the marathons on FX or USA or whatever. And so I'd always come in, in the last, I don't know, ten or 15 minutes of Temple of Doom. So I saw the cool chase at the end, and then it went right into last Crusade. And that's my favorite indie movie. So I'm like, cool, yeah, I'm going to sit down and watch this. And I always did.
[00:06:05] Speaker A: Temple of Doom was my favorite. But in my adulthood, I started to find the woman really obnoxious.
[00:06:10] Speaker B: Oh, my God.
[00:06:11] Speaker A: So I guess I just stopped watching it as much, but I actually found her less obnoxious on this viewing. So that was nice.
[00:06:18] Speaker B: I did not. But also, we talked about it before and we won't go super into it, but I feel like her screaming Indiana.
[00:06:24] Speaker A: Jones, which sometimes I like to do on the Indiana Jones ride.
[00:06:30] Speaker B: Yeah, I'm sure we could probably splice that in. For those of you who don't know.
[00:06:33] Speaker A: What we're talking about, get a whole compilation.
[00:06:47] Speaker B: I feel like her screams were, like weirdly higher in the mix.
[00:06:51] Speaker A: Like Dakota fanning in War of the worlds, when she's screaming the whole time and you can't hear Tom Cruise talk.
[00:06:57] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:06:57] Speaker A: So anyways, anyway, so this is the original Indiana Jones movies. Before we go any further, were you an Indiana Jones kid?
[00:07:03] Speaker B: Not really. Yes and no. Like, I watched raiders a couple times and my aunt Sila had the vhs copies, but we never really watched them because I had two younger sisters. And raiders gets kind of freaky with the melting of the face, and then temple of doom gets kind of freaky.
[00:07:18] Speaker A: With the burning heart.
[00:07:19] Speaker B: Temple of doom.
So we never really watched it that much. And if I ever really did watch any of it, was always on tv during the marathon when I could just kind of control the tv myself or everybody was out and about doing whatever. But, yeah, me and my dad would watch the indie movies when they came on.
[00:07:37] Speaker A: Did you ever have dreams of rescuing some cute girl in your class when you were a kid?
[00:07:44] Speaker B: Didn't we all?
[00:07:45] Speaker A: Okay.
When you saw yourself in that dream, who did you see yourself as? Were you like, Superman or Batman or just a badass, kind of James Bond esque type character?
[00:07:56] Speaker B: I don't really know.
[00:07:57] Speaker A: For me, it was 100% Indiana Jones. Right on. I had dreams, literal nighttime sleep dreams of whipping a branch and swinging across a cliff with this cute girl from my fourth grade class named Rena in my arms, like I shit you not. I freaking love Indiana Jones.
[00:08:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:17] Speaker A: So that should also color the rest of this review is, I need you to understand that I have wanted to be this particular hero since a child, and I didn't realize how severe it was until I redid this marathon. All four of them, back to back to back to back. By the time I was done with it, I was like, you know what? I really liked kingdom of the crystal skull.
[00:08:36] Speaker B: I did too.
[00:08:38] Speaker A: It's not great. But you know what? Neither is her screaming indie or some other weird. There's at least, like, one or two things in every movie where you're, like.
[00:08:46] Speaker B: A little too much, a little too cheesy.
[00:08:47] Speaker A: What are you doing? But that's also part of the indie charm. Yeah. So going into this now, we're looking at the dial of Destiny.
[00:08:56] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:08:57] Speaker A: Spoiler free review a minute or less. What did you think?
[00:09:03] Speaker B: I really liked it. Yeah, there was a lot going on. We'll get more into that in the spoiler stuff, but overall, I really enjoyed it.
[00:09:11] Speaker A: Okay.
[00:09:12] Speaker B: A lot.
[00:09:13] Speaker A: Any other thing that you think somebody should know before they go into the movie?
[00:09:18] Speaker B: No.
[00:09:19] Speaker A: Spoiler free.
[00:09:20] Speaker B: Yeah. No.
[00:09:20] Speaker A: Okay. I am going to do a mild spoiler, but if you haven't seen the movie and you don't mind this tiny bit of information about what you won't see, there's no short round.
[00:09:30] Speaker B: No.
[00:09:31] Speaker A: And I wish I'd known that ahead of time, so I didn't spend the whole movie hoping for him.
[00:09:35] Speaker B: Yeah, I kind of did it a little bit. I know.
[00:09:37] Speaker A: I hate to go in with expectations.
[00:09:38] Speaker B: But I wasn't super into it with.
[00:09:41] Speaker A: His biggest, as Ki Kwan has been becoming lately. I was like, why wouldn't you throw him in there?
[00:09:48] Speaker B: But I think we'll get into that because I was doing a little bit of research before they started shooting in June of 2021. So that was, like, just before he really started coming back. Yeah, but at the same time, like, slight other spoilers, they do bring back a few other characters. So it's like, again, why wouldn't they? And then getting into their adventures and stuff. Yeah. You easily could have thrown them in there.
[00:10:11] Speaker A: Yeah. And this is supposed to be Indy's swan song. Harrison Ford's swan song for the character. Like, he is saying goodbye to this character in a right and proper way. Right. Okay, thus concludes our spoiler free version. If you haven't seen the movie yet, go see it. It's fantastic. If you don't want to go see it and you want to hear all the spoilers, I don't get it, but sure, stick around.
[00:10:32] Speaker B: We'll be here.
[00:10:33] Speaker A: Okay, cool. And that's the 60 minutes song, the sound. That's the theme song. Yeah. Anyway, so dial of Destiny. Yeah. Holy shit.
[00:10:44] Speaker B: Super fun.
[00:10:45] Speaker A: I loved this movie.
[00:10:46] Speaker B: Like a solid action movie all around. Sometimes a little too actiony, but yeah.
[00:10:52] Speaker A: Okay. We start off the movie in, like, the 30s, which means young Indiana Jones shows up, or the Indiana Jones we grew up with shows up. And where were those graphics? I mean, obviously, technology improves every year, but this blows Peter Cushing and Carrie Fisher and young Luke just completely out of the.
[00:11:14] Speaker B: Yeah. These. Yeah. This de aging tech which they've been working on since everybody complained about the first time. Well, yeah, but even from the Marvel movies when Tony Stark in Captain America.
[00:11:30] Speaker A: Yeah. In the fart machine.
[00:11:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:11:33] Speaker A: Right. That's what he called it. Or barf. It was barf.
[00:11:35] Speaker B: Barf, yeah.
[00:11:36] Speaker A: In barf.
[00:11:37] Speaker B: In Iron man four, Captain America three, Avengers 2.5.
[00:11:43] Speaker A: The scene that they reference in Spiderman, far from home.
[00:11:48] Speaker B: Yeah, he looks great. And obviously, there's a few things here and there. And apparently what they did is they put the things on his face like.
[00:11:58] Speaker A: They did with Luke.
[00:11:59] Speaker B: Like they did with Luke. And then he did his normal acting stuff. And then they went in, in post and then fixed it up real good.
[00:12:05] Speaker A: Yeah. And there's a flashback to a slightly older indie, and I found that one to be even better. And I think it's because it's a little closer to what he is now, what he looks like now. Because you got collagen starts to break down, skin starts to sag in strange places, and it can be a little hard to tighten that back up digitally. And there were a few moments in the background of things where he'd be jostled or something in a way that looked a little bit not quite realistic. It wasn't like Harry Potter being swung around by the troll level bad, but it's still, like, there's definitely some moments, and I think that has something to do with when you rack focus out of it, like what becomes blurred and how it becomes blurred, maybe doing something different.
[00:12:49] Speaker B: You talked about that yesterday.
[00:12:51] Speaker A: Because I can tell there's something weird happening with the blur that's blurring it in a way that that's not how a flat image blurs versus how a not flat image. I don't know. I don't work in film. What are you talking about? Anyway, after that, we find Indy in 1969. And the astronauts just got back. The astronauts just got back.
[00:13:12] Speaker B: And he's retiring.
[00:13:13] Speaker A: And he's retiring and he's no longer in his scene. Yeah. And then hijinks ensue.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:21] Speaker A: Because Phoebe Wallerbridge shows up, who's great. Yeah, she's fantastic. You've seen her in other things, right?
[00:13:27] Speaker B: Oh, yeah. Her show, fleabag, was fan fucking tastic.
[00:13:31] Speaker A: I've heard about it a lot. I've seen, like a clip from.
[00:13:34] Speaker B: Yeah, she was kind of in solo.
[00:13:36] Speaker A: Right. She enjoyed, wasn't she actually doing the work?
[00:13:39] Speaker B: I think she did the mocap. Yeah.
[00:13:41] Speaker A: If not the. She didn't have a suit or anything, though, right? They didn't.
[00:13:43] Speaker B: I think she did.
[00:13:44] Speaker A: No, she's great, though, and she's already been in Lucasfilm stuff before. She knows what she's getting into in regards to legacy, which I appreciate, but.
[00:13:52] Speaker B: She was great in the movie. I really liked her role and her relationship with Indy. And we caught little flashbacks here and there and got a sense of their relationship as she was growing up and as he was kind of going through his older years and stuff, and then what didn't happen. And if you see the movie.
[00:14:12] Speaker A: Yeah, we don't need to do a full recap of the film, but I did feel like this checked pretty much every box I wanted.
[00:14:22] Speaker B: Yeah. Because we talked about that going into it.
[00:14:24] Speaker A: Yeah, I had a whole list.
[00:14:25] Speaker B: Read that list.
[00:14:26] Speaker A: And, I mean, most of these are Indiana Jones tropes, but my list of things that I wanted in this new Indiana Jones movie, which I specifically came up with while watching the original four, back to back to back to back. Because I was like, oh, that has to happen. That better happen. They better not do that because this is the first time we're not having Spielberg at the helm or George Lucas. Or George Lucas or Michael Kahn, who was the editor of all four of the originals. So an intro that transitions into a mountain of some sort. We basically got it, but it wasn't a mountain. It was the lock, but it was still the same shape from behind the Lucasfilm logo.
[00:15:04] Speaker B: Yeah. So that was really cool.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: Which I thought was cool, rather than putting so much focus on Paramount or so much focus on Disney, putting the focus on who really is behind this franchise.
[00:15:13] Speaker B: And kind of similar with the Fox fanfare before the Star wars movies, the indie movies were put out by Paramount.
[00:15:20] Speaker A: Right.
[00:15:20] Speaker B: And before those movies, it would fade into the Paramount mountain would fade into whatever mountain or whatever.
[00:15:28] Speaker A: It was always a mountain or a mound for a meerkat.
[00:15:32] Speaker B: Yeah. But now that Disney has the rights to the movies, we don't know if the Paramount thing would show up. And it did.
[00:15:40] Speaker A: Yeah. They gave Paramount credit, which was cool.
[00:15:42] Speaker B: Yeah. And I think there's still some sort of contractual stuff with the old movies, and they had a deal with the Avengers and some of the early Marvel movies before the Disney buyout.
[00:15:51] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:15:52] Speaker B: They put them out, too. If you.
[00:15:53] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
Okay. So number two was Indiana Jones gets tied up. We opened the movie with Indiana Jones tied up, and I'm like, perfect, thank you. Some sort of reference to mutt. I was really worried they were going to cut mutt out and just be like, yeah, that never happened. And they didn't. They treated it like it was, and.
[00:16:11] Speaker B: They acknowledged it and it was part of some of the story beats. Not super huge, but kind of gave.
[00:16:15] Speaker A: But it was a big motivator for why Indy's become kind of this washed up alcoholic professor. And he's not like a drunk by any means, which I appreciate, but he's also not in good health, not in a good place mentally.
[00:16:28] Speaker B: Yeah. He didn't seem like he was in a good mental health state.
[00:16:31] Speaker A: It's nice, too, because Harrison Ford is kind of, by default, a grumpy old man. Like, get off of my.
Like, we're not going to get another regarding Henry performance of him. But even then, he's a uppity businessman who doesn't even want to hang out with his kid. This is in the movie regarding Henry, where he has amnesia. He has to have a severe accident and amnesia before he becomes a nice guy. That's how much Harrison Ford is just the grumpy guy. And so it's nice that they weren't just like, well, he's grumpy Harrison. Old Harrison Ford. That's just who he's going to be. Because Indiana Jones was kind of that. He was kind of sweet spot.
[00:17:07] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:07] Speaker A: It was always that, like, I don't want to deal with this crap, but at the same, this, he's got to be a little bit of an old know. And so I like that they explain, you know, having the story with Mutt. I mean, we are doing the spoiler.
[00:17:20] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:17:21] Speaker A: So mutt being gone and dead from going to war when he should not have enlisted, that's something that has torn apart his relationship with Marion. Yada, yada, yada. The same font for the opening credits. All the title credits are always in the same exact font. They use that font, check. Some sort of reference to short round. The most we got for it was when she explains how she and Teddy. When Phoebe Wallerbridge explains how she and Teddy got together. But he didn't even say, like, oh, yeah, I knew someone like that once, and that bugged me.
[00:17:52] Speaker B: Yeah. Although the kid definitely did. He was the short round of this movie.
[00:17:57] Speaker A: It did more, but his short round was like this young Indiana Jones. Like, they pan back and forth between them, literally doing the same fight. Know as he's beating the shit out of that obnoxious little.
Wasn't a maharaja. It was Muharjadin.
Doesn't matter. Him fighting, indie fighting. And that was kind of their thing. And then when they're like, how'd short round wind up with you? Well, he tried to pick my pocket. And then we've been stuck together ever since. He asks, how did you wind up with Teddy? And she's like, he tried to steal my purse. And we've been together ever since. Not in so many words. There were more words than that. But basically, I'm like, this is your moment to be like, yeah, you don't do that sort of thing without.
I had a teddy once, so that one didn't quite fall. But Indy in med lecture, as someone walks up to see him.
[00:18:52] Speaker B: Yeah, we talked about that.
[00:18:53] Speaker A: We kind of got that with her being in the lecture hall, but they also changed the lecture hall. So he's not just drawing things on the board. He has a projector now. Yeah, because it's 1969. Yes.
[00:19:02] Speaker B: Shown the times.
[00:19:04] Speaker A: At least three chase scenes. I got that. Times four.
The movie was a whole chase scene. Yeah, but all indie movies are chase scenes.
[00:19:12] Speaker B: Kind of.
[00:19:13] Speaker A: Especially raiders.
It's Chase scene puzzle. Chase scene puzzle. That's really all you need. Oh, chase scene puzzle, fight scene. You just repeat that. Not necessarily in that order. For an entire film, you got an indie movie. So snakes. We didn't quite get snakes.
[00:19:30] Speaker B: We got underwater snakes.
[00:19:31] Speaker A: We got eels.
[00:19:32] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:19:33] Speaker A: And he was very much unhappy about him, but I was okay with that. Yeah, traveling by map. We traveled by map twice.
[00:19:40] Speaker B: Classic.
[00:19:40] Speaker A: So good I'm like, in theater being like, yes. Everybody else is just like, what? Because I'm like, going through a fucking scavenger hunt. Indy fighting dirty. He literally covers the guy's face and then sacrifices him, like, first ten minutes of the movie and then him saying, it belongs in a museum.
[00:19:59] Speaker B: Quite a few of us cheered at that one.
[00:20:01] Speaker A: Yeah, that's my list. Yeah, you said you had a few things that you didn't.
[00:20:06] Speaker B: Yeah. So one of the big ones, like, we just kind of talked about is that there were so many chase scenes in this movie.
And not only were there a lot of chase scenes, but a lot of them were like, to me, it felt like they're a little too long and they kind of dragged on a little bit, and it kind of took me out of adventure. It's like, okay, I get it. This is cool. Like, the choreography, the fight scenes, great.
[00:20:31] Speaker A: There's so much, many brutal deaths that happen in those chase scenes.
[00:20:35] Speaker B: But it was just like, okay, they're fast deaths.
[00:20:38] Speaker A: And that's the thing, too, is like, you see it, and then it's like. And we're on. We're still moving.
[00:20:43] Speaker B: And then we move for another five minutes.
We were lucky enough during Star wars celebration that we saw the big chase scene, I guess, in the middle of the movie or quarter of the way through, and then it went on a little bit longer. And this maybe it was the same. Anyways, it was long either way. And a lot of us at celebration kind of talked about like, hey, this was a cool chase scene. It went on forever, but it was still cool. And I brought it up yesterday after we were done watching the movie. I wonder if the length of some of them were that way because Harrison Ford's older, and on the last couple of movies he's done, he's injured himself. So I wonder if that kind of helps keep him off set while having, like, a stunt double or a body double do some of the heavy lifting. And then on the close up shots.
[00:21:28] Speaker A: There'S always been, if you look at the big raiders chase scene, there's so many moments where you're like, that's a stunt double. Oh, yeah, that's a stunt double. And they talk about it a lot in. Or Ron Howard talks about it a lot in his masterclass.
Do you feel that that chase scene was the one chasing that kind of lost you or did multiple.
[00:21:51] Speaker B: Multiple. Okay, yeah. And know. Talked to a few friends who've seen it since. They're like, yeah, the movie was a little bit long, which normally, I'm like, give me more. But, like, if it's long, just to make a longer movie, and it's like, okay. But again, not that I hated the movie by any means, but after a while, it kind of took me out and I was like, okay, I'm going to have to pee.
[00:22:10] Speaker A: I'm going to chalk a lot of that up for just shortened attention spans because for me, I didn't mind it.
[00:22:16] Speaker B: Oh, yeah.
[00:22:16] Speaker A: I didn't mind it. And the reason I asked if that was your only major chase scene that kind of did that to you was because if I had seen that chase scene with no context to know about the ex fiance and everything else that was going on with it, I'd be like, I can't follow half of this because I don't know who these people are. Yeah. And that would kind of context a tone for me of just like, I don't like how long this is going because I'm just spending the whole time being, like, trying to keep track of moving parts.
[00:22:44] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:22:44] Speaker A: But knowing, I do think that that chase scene was a moment when I was like, this is not like complaining that it was long, but we're still going because they change cars.
[00:22:57] Speaker B: And again, the choreography was amazing.
That stunt team did some work so good, but to me, it was just like, okay, I think that chase, the.
[00:23:07] Speaker A: Only one that really bothered me.
[00:23:09] Speaker B: Yeah, I think that was the one that really. I mean, not really bugged, but just kind of, like, got me the most out. But then there were just so many other chase scenes in the movie, too. It's like, okay, can I get some more puzzle doing or some booby trap stuff? We definitely got some of that, but, yeah, those are pretty much my only major.
[00:23:28] Speaker A: Just the length and less puzzles. Yeah, you did miss, like, part of it.
[00:23:32] Speaker B: I did, yeah. I had some stomach issues out of freaking nowhere.
[00:23:35] Speaker A: Did you see the methane room?
[00:23:37] Speaker B: No.
[00:23:37] Speaker A: Then you missed a puzzle. Yeah, you missed an entire puzle.
[00:23:41] Speaker B: And you mentioned it yesterday that we came out. We were also really tired. But I didn't come out as hyped as you were. But I think some of that, too, is just I missed a big chunk of stuff I wanted to see and still was, like, kind of disappointed. Not necessarily with the movie, just the situation in general, because I got sick a couple of weeks ago and I'm still dealing with the after effects. So anyways. But, yeah, pretty much that was it. And something that our buddy Shauna, the costume designer on Mando, pointed that she posted on Facebook was that there was a shot in the beginning where the CIA group that were working together but didn't know they're working together, that whole thing.
They shoot the secretary that's in there.
[00:24:25] Speaker A: And she lands on her back.
[00:24:28] Speaker B: She lands on her back, but lands.
[00:24:30] Speaker A: On her front, rather. No, she falls forward and lands on her.
[00:24:33] Speaker B: So she falls forward and just where the camera angle is, you kind of see up her dress a little bit, and they kind of focused on it for a little bit. Awkward amount of length.
[00:24:44] Speaker A: I did notice that at all.
[00:24:46] Speaker B: Oh, there was a few people on it.
[00:24:48] Speaker A: Why are these people all looking at skirts?
[00:24:51] Speaker B: I don't know, but it was, like, front and center on the screen for a little bit, and they kind of kept going back to that shot. And for some reason, I noticed it at first, I was like, oh, this is weird. But there were so many other things going on, too. But she brought it up there, too, and then multiple people were like, yeah, that was kind of OD.
[00:25:07] Speaker A: I would chalk that up. And, I mean, I know I'm giving benefit of the doubt, but to me, it was something that I literally did not even notice. I'm not here to look up some old lady skirt.
[00:25:17] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:17] Speaker A: No, but to me, it seems like something that somebody on set should have caught and been like, this angle does not look good to me. That feels like more of a mistake than like, I don't know. My immediate reaction is to think that somebody's being like, who's the perf? Who let that slide?
[00:25:31] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:25:32] Speaker A: And I'm like, I don't think that. I don't think what's going on. No, but also, literally, while watching this, I was like, when you just said that to me, I'm like, I don't even remember being able to see up her skirt because another dude walks by and gets shot. Yeah, there's a lot going on that was happening. Yeah. Also, I ain't looking up corpses. Shauna. Yeah.
[00:25:51] Speaker B: That movie was awesomely brutal, dude.
[00:25:54] Speaker A: Dude, that movie, like, all Indiana Jones movies, involve a lot.
[00:25:57] Speaker B: They're very violent, and a dude's heart gets ripped out of his chest. And it's so.
[00:26:05] Speaker A: And there's some deaths in there, especially in the chase scenes. But there's one you missed where a dude basically gets impaled. No, you were there for the impaled one. Oh, there's one where a dude in theater guy. Yeah.
[00:26:19] Speaker B: Damn. Guess I'm going to have to see this movie again.
[00:26:20] Speaker A: I mean, do you want me to tell you what happened?
[00:26:22] Speaker B: No.
[00:26:22] Speaker A: Okay.
So, like I said, I loved it. Yeah. I absolutely start to finish had a blast. I did zone out at one point during the movie where I was like, I think it was during the water scene when they were getting ready to go down. I started wondering, how are they going to do this? How will this look? And I started thinking, as a filmmaker and not as an audience member, I hate when that happens. One, because I know it's partially my fault, but two, a really good sequence. Typically, that doesn't typically happen to me, but I think in part also because Antonio Banderas showed up, and I suddenly realized, oh, shit, that's Antonio Banderas. And it kind of took me out when I realized it, because I thought he was going to be the pilot from Raiders of the Lost Ark, who has the pet snake in the front of the plane, and he's like, stop being such a baby. I thought it was that guy. And then suddenly I'm like, why does he have a spanish accent? Why does he look like, oh, my God, it's.
[00:27:18] Speaker B: And to that point, kind of. There were a few points where I couldn't hear the dialogue, and it was kind of Imax.
[00:27:27] Speaker A: Theater was very loud, and the mix was a little weird.
[00:27:30] Speaker B: Yeah. So maybe next time we'll just go to the Dolby theater and see how that goes.
[00:27:36] Speaker A: I do feel like we talked about this yesterday.
When you have a band that has one particular song that you're like, that's awesome, and then you go to listen to their album, and you're like, no, I don't want to hear the rest of your experiments. Do more of that.
Not everybody can go from classic 80s rock to don't want to miss a thing. Sometimes they do what Bon Jovi did, and you're like, why are you still doing this? But even I love David Bowie, and I love how much he changes from album to album. But there's some albums that I'm like, bring it back a little bit, budy. And in this case, I feel like the same kind of goes for movies in a franchise. Like, unless you're going to wildly experiment, I need you to kind of stick to the formula. But the problem is, as soon as you hear them sticking to the formula too much with these songs and this metaphor, you start going, this is just more of the same shit. And you want them to kind of branch out a little bit. I felt like this movie stuck to formula in a way that they branch in in the right ways, versus, like, kingdom of the Crystal Skull, which does branch off in ways that I'm like, you're losing me a little bit here. Namely being able to actually see the aliens, fair.
But I feel like this movie, with everything that was happening in it, stuck to it for the most part, exactly how I would have wanted them, but did not branch out quite in the ways that I would have liked.
[00:29:07] Speaker B: Yeah. What would you have liked?
[00:29:10] Speaker A: I feel like I would have wanted a little bit more toward the end because I feel like the whole, like, we're traveling through time thing, it was a little short for me. I loved everything that happened in it, but I was like, no, we got to stay there for a minute and get to the plane.
[00:29:25] Speaker B: That would have been cool if they somehow would have gotten there, like, halfway through the movie.
[00:29:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Or even just make that the final third. But if they had landed, gotten off the plane, and then realized where they realized, no, not even.
[00:29:41] Speaker B: Because that intro where they actually found.
[00:29:42] Speaker A: Oh, my God, so good, so good.
[00:29:44] Speaker B: So fucking good.
[00:29:45] Speaker A: But that moment when they're like, okay, we got to go get to the plane that Teddy's on. I didn't like that Teddy's plane was up the hill. Run through the freaking city, make it the end of know. Let's run through a battle and be like, we just got to keep on fighting centurions and get to the, like, give me that little bit of a Macguffin. Because we've had so much being chased. Now's a point where we're trying to get through something that would have been a nice reveal for.
[00:30:09] Speaker B: It would have been cool if we.
[00:30:10] Speaker A: Had a chase scene in the roman city of Syracuse.
[00:30:15] Speaker B: Yeah, no, not that Syracuse.
[00:30:20] Speaker A: But the one thing that they did do, which I felt was kind of a branch out. And I liked how they did it because it was subtle, was this was basically Indiana Jones with, like, I don't want to call him Dark Indiana Jones, but with less Indiana Jones partnered up with Temple of Doom Indiana Jones, essentially, because what does he say the whole movie in Temple of Doom fortune and glory, kid? Yeah, that's what she's going for. That's what Wombat wants. And it is like watching old man Indy have to kind of train Temple of Doom Indy so that he can become raiders of the Lost Ark Indy.
[00:30:58] Speaker B: Oh, shit.
[00:31:00] Speaker A: He's got short round like that. He's got weird women problem, or she's got short round. She's got weird x problems.
She's got a very Indiana Jones intellect and fighting ability and escapability. She's smart, and he's, like, having to kind of be, hey, you still got to do the right thing at the end of the day, right and there's moments where he's like, you're fucking it up. You're not doing the right thing at the end of the day. And then she's like, I got dynamite in my pocket, buddy. Don't you worry.
[00:31:31] Speaker B: And it's like, oh, that's an indie.
Love that scene.
[00:31:37] Speaker A: Yeah.
Again, I love this entire movie. I can't wait to go see it again. I'm such an indie kid.
I wore a shirt that looked like an Indiana Jones adventure shirt because I was. Yes, yes. And I never dressed up for the movies except for, like, I'll wear a Star wars shirt or a Marvel shirt. But I was like, there was one dude who was in there in, like, a leather jacket and had the hat. I was like, that's a little too far for I. And I never owned a bullwhip. Or did I? Did I have a bull? No, Devin had a bullwhip, and I did have it with me for a while, but I never owned a bull whip.
[00:32:08] Speaker B: That's right. I remember.
[00:32:09] Speaker A: Yeah. Because Devin was a fucking indie kid. Yeah, he was absolutely an Indiana Jones kid. But I grew up on Indiana Jones. I did feel like this was a really nice.
This had. If this didn't have such send off vibes, and they'd been like, we're doing another one, I'd be like, yeah, give me that short round spinoff. And he's even said. He said it on the happy, sad, confused podcast.
Ki Kwan was like, if Disney and Lucasfilm come to me and say, hey, let's do an indie spinoff for short round, I'm there. Like, he wants it. He loves that character. And I really missed short round in this movie. Yeah, I really wanted him there, but he never shows up or is mentioned ever again. He just sort of disappears. Yeah, and that's a bummer. But at least mention him when Tedy gets, like, when they talk about Teddy's backstory. Yeah, because it's so similar, which is why I'm like, oh, this is Indy partying with Indy, but also explaining to Indy how to become Indy. Yeah, Indy. Any final thoughts on this movie?
[00:33:09] Speaker B: No, I just really want to see it again. Yeah, because I liked it, but also because I missed a decent little chunk.
[00:33:15] Speaker A: And now that you know how long the chase scenes are, you maybe won't get as impatient with them. Yeah, definitely. I don't know. For me, I definitely was like, holy shit, they're still going. But I wasn't like, why is this still going on? Were you irritated?
[00:33:33] Speaker B: I think I was just ready to move on to more story.
[00:33:37] Speaker A: Can we see him?
[00:33:38] Speaker B: Yeah.
Even with the Star wars and Marvel stuff, I love the lore stuff and the story. And so I think that's what I wanted more of, instead of the chase scenes or instead of the longer chase scenes, but, yeah, but I mean, that didn't make me hate the movie by any means. I really, really like that movie. Super fun. And a decent send know reading up on the movie beforehand, they were kind of planning that crystal Skull was going to probably be the last movie, but Harrison Ford felt like that wasn't a great ending for Indy. Yeah, he gets married. That's cool. But that's just another step in his journey. And he wanted more.
[00:34:18] Speaker A: Yeah. And the losing of Mutt after gaining a son so late because he gains a teenage son and he doesn't really get to go through, like, I mean, he's what, 20, I think, when the movie starts or something, something like that. And losing that after finally gaining all.
[00:34:36] Speaker B: Especially seeing how happy he was and how he really took to him in the movie, which I know some people didn't like, but I think that was mainly because it was Shia LaBeouf. But that's a whole different podcast. Yeah. Seeing that journey in the fourth one and then realizing, oh, I don't hate this movie like I thought I did.
[00:34:53] Speaker A: And then it's one of those things where the small bubble of the Internet decides they want to focus on one or two things. Don't get me wrong, the monkey swinging scene is a little far fetched, but the fencing scene, while they're going on two cars side by side, I'm like, this is Indiana Jones gold.
[00:35:10] Speaker B: What are you talking about?
[00:35:11] Speaker A: The aliens is a little much, but at the same time, I find it to be.
I like that each movie kind of addresses what the world was thinking about. The allure of eastern religions and stuff is very early 20th century. Yeah, the focus on the occult is very late 30s, early 40s. Hitler was obsessed with the occult. We know that the crystal skull takes place in the 50s, when Roswell stuff, communism, and the idea of life in the universe was actually a thing. That's when science fiction really becomes what we know it as is today. And this being a movie that takes place at the end of the 60s could have been any number of things, but I like that we kind of were allowed to go back because this is the point when the hippie movement kind of there becomes this division and we have a freaking neo Nazi in this, like, who is all gung ho because he wishes he was in Germany, and you hate him because he's a piece of shit.
[00:36:19] Speaker B: From the first scene he was in.
[00:36:21] Speaker A: Oh, my God. You immediately like, screw this guy.
[00:36:23] Speaker B: This guy. Yeah, it was cool. And I think we talked about it even before we saw this movie, like, a couple days ago. It's cool seeing the lore in the indie universe.
Jesus was real.
[00:36:37] Speaker A: Kali and Siva are real, and then the actual ark of the.
[00:36:44] Speaker B: And then. But also, like, interdimensional beings and time.
[00:36:47] Speaker A: Travel, which are like, mayan gods. That's what they were saying is. They're like, oh, yeah, the mayan gods just happen to be this interdimensional being thing. And it's like, yeah, well, just how to build these pyramids, cross them over. Yeah, it was great.
[00:37:00] Speaker B: And I like that.
[00:37:01] Speaker A: And I like that. We got two major artifacts in this also, which we do in Raiders of the Lost Ark. You get that aztecan, or not aztecan, but amazonian head statue, which has a very small temple, whatever. But we had the spear of Destiny and the dial of destiny, which is a different thing, the amatuscara, or whatever it was called. But the spear of.
[00:37:25] Speaker B: He's like, it's a fake, but the real one's still around.
[00:37:28] Speaker A: Yeah, that means the real one's still around. And that one is said to provide the ability for time travel as well. I only know so much about it because there's an entire, like, two or three episode arc of Legends of Tomorrow focused around the spirit.
But, yeah, that's our hot, fast, kind of quick review. Kind of quick review. Get out of here and go to the gym, Brian.
[00:37:49] Speaker B: Yeah, I think I'm going to do that, but, yeah, great movie. I want to see it again.
[00:37:53] Speaker A: Go see it.
[00:37:54] Speaker B: And I really want to go finish the rest of the young Indiana ventures.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: Young Indiana adventures.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: Yeah, they won a bunch of emmys.
[00:38:02] Speaker A: That's crazy.
[00:38:03] Speaker B: And they're supposed to be educational. So a lot of the info that's in there is true historical facts, which totally lends itself to Indy. But, yeah. George Lucas had this whole timeline of Indiana Jones'life, and Crystal Skull was an unused idea for one of those episodes.
[00:38:23] Speaker A: Oh, wow.
[00:38:24] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:38:24] Speaker A: Crystal skulls. Not the movie, but another crystal skull temple storyline is the basis for the Indiana Jones ride in Japan. Oh, that's cool. So if you go to Japan and go to Tokyo Disney, you can go to a different iteration of a crystal skull. Know, sweet, like ride. I'm here for that, right?
[00:38:47] Speaker B: Or there for that.
[00:38:48] Speaker A: Yeah. So we'll do that in two years, maybe when we go to Star wars celebration anyway. Indiana Jones.
[00:38:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Tell us what you feel.
[00:38:58] Speaker A: Yeah. Give us all of your opinions. Lay them on us. Leave us comments. They're actually really good for our algorithm and result finding, so please leave us comments, because all that fun stuff, you know, please.
[00:39:09] Speaker B: For other movies. Bye.
